Re: Hybrids and Spam (was Re: [RML] fish records)

peter.unmack at ASU.Edu
Sat, 01 Feb 1997 11:12:44 -0700 (MST)

On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Andrew Boyd wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 peter.unmack at ASU.Edu wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Andrew Boyd wrote:
> > > Hey Pete! Aren't there supposed to be some natural hybrids somewheres
> > > between the two species you mentioned? Could this account for the shaky
> > > boundary?
>
> And up yours too, Uncmack ;P If I didn't know that you were just kidding

You really expect me to believe that you were being 100% serious and not
just poking fun at me regarding earlier comments on the list? Especially
given that your last post or two had been very unserious. :-)

I have no clue as to the presence of hybrids. I think the boundary
between these two species is fascinating if they do indeed overlap. An
investigation of it (which I intend to do) should give many clues as to
potential modes of speciation in rainbows and other fishes. There are a
number of other species which have their northern boundaries around
this area (and probably southern) and there are a few species/subspecies
which cross over from one to another around this point and there may be
more that we have not recognised.

> that this was a different conversation to the Murray Cod/Trout Cod
> hybrids found in the Dam outside Sydney whose name has slipped my mind

Cataract Dam on the Nepean River. It is a water supply dam, thus folks
can't fish in it. There are also hybrids in the Murray River below
Yarrawonga.

> there being some naturally occuring Rainbow hybrids as well, or at
> least some evidence to suggest that there were.

I have suggested that they probably exist. Although, I am using a
different time frame to most folks. I am not saying that there are two
species out there today hybridising in the wild. I am suggesting that
over geological time there are probably some rainbowfish that are a mix
of two other species, subspecies or populations. The folks in Craig
Moritz's lab found limited evidence suggesting old hybridisation between
M.s. australis and M. exquisita. However, it takes a lot to prove this,
usually at least 3 independant techniques, ie allozyme genetics,
morphology/meristics, MtDNA and others depending upon the critter and
other things.

Tootles

Peter Unmack

Confusius says "Rooster one day, feather duster the next"

:-)